For those wanting to try Marvel


(Ivan Brusic) #1

It is only supported with Elasticsearch 0.90.8 and higher.

Yet another push for me to upgrade!

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(Mark Walkom) #2

The docs mention 0.90.9 and higher -
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/marvel/current/#_system_requirements

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On 29 January 2014 09:37, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

It is only supported with Elasticsearch 0.90.8 and higher.

Yet another push for me to upgrade!

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(Ivan Brusic) #3

From my log:

[2014-01-28 14:31:01,915][WARN ][marvel.agent ] Elasticsearch
version [0.90.2] is too old. Marvel is disabled (requires version 0.90.8 or
higher)
[2014-01-28 14:31:01,921][INFO ][plugins ] [xxx] loaded
[marvel, refresh-token-filters], sites [bigdesk, marvel, browser, head]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

The docs mention 0.90.9 and higher -
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/marvel/current/#_system_requirements

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
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email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
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On 29 January 2014 09:37, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

It is only supported with Elasticsearch 0.90.8 and higher.

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(Mark Walkom) #4

Ahh, someone pointed out other discrepancies with the docs in the IRC
channel as well, so I guess there are still a few bugs to work out!

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On 29 January 2014 09:51, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

From my log:

[2014-01-28 14:31:01,915][WARN ][marvel.agent ] Elasticsearch
version [0.90.2] is too old. Marvel is disabled (requires version 0.90.8 or
higher)
[2014-01-28 14:31:01,921][INFO ][plugins ] [xxx] loaded
[marvel, refresh-token-filters], sites [bigdesk, marvel, browser, head]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

The docs mention 0.90.9 and higher -
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/marvel/current/#_system_requirements

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Mark Walkom

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On 29 January 2014 09:37, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

It is only supported with Elasticsearch 0.90.8 and higher.

Yet another push for me to upgrade!

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(Ivan Brusic) #5

I am sure there will be more than a few bugs to work out. :slight_smile: Not bashing
their great work, that is how software works.

Creating a new 0.90.10 instance right now. I have been pushing to upgrade
for a while (no rolling restarts makes it harder to schedule upgrades),
perhaps this would be the time.

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

Ahh, someone pointed out other discrepancies with the docs in the IRC
channel as well, so I guess there are still a few bugs to work out!

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 09:51, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

From my log:

[2014-01-28 14:31:01,915][WARN ][marvel.agent ] Elasticsearch
version [0.90.2] is too old. Marvel is disabled (requires version 0.90.8 or
higher)
[2014-01-28 14:31:01,921][INFO ][plugins ] [xxx] loaded
[marvel, refresh-token-filters], sites [bigdesk, marvel, browser, head]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

The docs mention 0.90.9 and higher -
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/marvel/current/#_system_requirements

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
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On 29 January 2014 09:37, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

It is only supported with Elasticsearch 0.90.8 and higher.

Yet another push for me to upgrade!

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(Ivan Brusic) #6

My current code is not compatible with 0.90.10, so I will try again in the
future. Still, great job. Couldn't convince the higher ups to use SPM, but
perhaps self-hosted Marvel might be easier (although I wish the pricing was
more transparent).

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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

I am sure there will be more than a few bugs to work out. :slight_smile: Not bashing
their great work, that is how software works.

Creating a new 0.90.10 instance right now. I have been pushing to upgrade
for a while (no rolling restarts makes it harder to schedule upgrades),
perhaps this would be the time.

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

Ahh, someone pointed out other discrepancies with the docs in the IRC
channel as well, so I guess there are still a few bugs to work out!

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 09:51, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

From my log:

[2014-01-28 14:31:01,915][WARN ][marvel.agent ]
Elasticsearch version [0.90.2] is too old. Marvel is disabled (requires
version 0.90.8 or higher)
[2014-01-28 14:31:01,921][INFO ][plugins ] [xxx] loaded
[marvel, refresh-token-filters], sites [bigdesk, marvel, browser, head]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

The docs mention 0.90.9 and higher -
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/marvel/current/#_system_requirements

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 09:37, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

It is only supported with Elasticsearch 0.90.8 and higher.

Yet another push for me to upgrade!

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(Mark Walkom) #7

I think something like this
https://github.com/abronner/elasticsearch-monitoring could be extended to
include a lot of what is in Marvel.

I've made a few changes to the way the the indexes are handled with this,
which I've been meaning to properly fork and push back up. It'd be great if
anyone else could look at what can be done with it if they are interested.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
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On 29 January 2014 11:08, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

My current code is not compatible with 0.90.10, so I will try again in the
future. Still, great job. Couldn't convince the higher ups to use SPM, but
perhaps self-hosted Marvel might be easier (although I wish the pricing was
more transparent).

--
Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

I am sure there will be more than a few bugs to work out. :slight_smile: Not bashing
their great work, that is how software works.

Creating a new 0.90.10 instance right now. I have been pushing to upgrade
for a while (no rolling restarts makes it harder to schedule upgrades),
perhaps this would be the time.

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

Ahh, someone pointed out other discrepancies with the docs in the IRC
channel as well, so I guess there are still a few bugs to work out!

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 09:51, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

From my log:

[2014-01-28 14:31:01,915][WARN ][marvel.agent ]
Elasticsearch version [0.90.2] is too old. Marvel is disabled (requires
version 0.90.8 or higher)
[2014-01-28 14:31:01,921][INFO ][plugins ] [xxx]
loaded [marvel, refresh-token-filters], sites [bigdesk, marvel, browser,
head]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Mark Walkom <markw@campaignmonitor.com

wrote:

The docs mention 0.90.9 and higher -
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/marvel/current/#_system_requirements

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 09:37, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

It is only supported with Elasticsearch 0.90.8 and higher.

Yet another push for me to upgrade!

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(Ivan Brusic) #8

There is also
https://github.com/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-metrics-reporter-java, but
it does not seem to be as advanced graphically. I am currently pushing data
to graphite. Would love to try out other tools, but then I realize I am not
an ops guy. :slight_smile:

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

I think something like this
https://github.com/abronner/elasticsearch-monitoring could be extended to
include a lot of what is in Marvel.

I've made a few changes to the way the the indexes are handled with this,
which I've been meaning to properly fork and push back up. It'd be great if
anyone else could look at what can be done with it if they are interested.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 11:08, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

My current code is not compatible with 0.90.10, so I will try again in
the future. Still, great job. Couldn't convince the higher ups to use SPM,
but perhaps self-hosted Marvel might be easier (although I wish the pricing
was more transparent).

--
Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

I am sure there will be more than a few bugs to work out. :slight_smile: Not bashing
their great work, that is how software works.

Creating a new 0.90.10 instance right now. I have been pushing to
upgrade for a while (no rolling restarts makes it harder to schedule
upgrades), perhaps this would be the time.

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

Ahh, someone pointed out other discrepancies with the docs in the IRC
channel as well, so I guess there are still a few bugs to work out!

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 09:51, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

From my log:

[2014-01-28 14:31:01,915][WARN ][marvel.agent ]
Elasticsearch version [0.90.2] is too old. Marvel is disabled (requires
version 0.90.8 or higher)
[2014-01-28 14:31:01,921][INFO ][plugins ] [xxx]
loaded [marvel, refresh-token-filters], sites [bigdesk, marvel, browser,
head]

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Mark Walkom <
markw@campaignmonitor.com> wrote:

The docs mention 0.90.9 and higher -
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/marvel/current/#_system_requirements

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 09:37, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

It is only supported with Elasticsearch 0.90.8 and higher.

Yet another push for me to upgrade!

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(Jörg Prante) #9

Marvel comes with hidden Java plugin code for an event pusher. Node events,
route events, and shard events of ES can be indexed into ES. Very useful
for historic analysis and post mortem views.

It seems this was also a motivation for the tribe node mode: grow two
separate clusters, one for the data, another one for the metrics.

It would be nice if also the event pushing source code could be opened, so
other monitoring tools are able to build on this facility too. Or at least
documenting the event pushing API, for re-implementing it from scratch.

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(Mark Walkom) #10

Or perhaps something could come from the new cat API if they don't want to
go that route.

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On 29 January 2014 12:21, joergprante@gmail.com joergprante@gmail.comwrote:

Marvel comes with hidden Java plugin code for an event pusher. Node
events, route events, and shard events of ES can be indexed into ES. Very
useful for historic analysis and post mortem views.

It seems this was also a motivation for the tribe node mode: grow two
separate clusters, one for the data, another one for the metrics.

It would be nice if also the event pushing source code could be opened, so
other monitoring tools are able to build on this facility too. Or at least
documenting the event pushing API, for re-implementing it from scratch.

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(Ivan Brusic) #11

Marvel doesn't different much from elasticsearch plugins in that the code
now runs in the same JVM instead of a separate process. The event data is
pushed rather than pulled. It is great not having to re-invent the wheel,
but having monitoring outside of elasticsearch is not an issue. Great
observation about the tribe node BTW.

Given that efficient JSON parsing libraries exist in most languages, I
rather go that route over the cat API. Time to re-visit monitoring.

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

Or perhaps something could come from the new cat API if they don't want to
go that route.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
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email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 12:21, joergprante@gmail.com joergprante@gmail.comwrote:

Marvel comes with hidden Java plugin code for an event pusher. Node
events, route events, and shard events of ES can be indexed into ES. Very
useful for historic analysis and post mortem views.

It seems this was also a motivation for the tribe node mode: grow two
separate clusters, one for the data, another one for the metrics.

It would be nice if also the event pushing source code could be opened,
so other monitoring tools are able to build on this facility too. Or at
least documenting the event pushing API, for re-implementing it from
scratch.

Jörg

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(Lukáš Vlček) #12

If my memory serves me well one of the issues with plugins is missing
classloading isolation. If you have two plugins installed on a single node
they can clash (we have been hit by this with our own plugins and it took
us some time to figure it out because the symptom was not deterministic).
If Marvel contains Java code that is installed as a plugin it would be imo
useful if the code were a bit more transparent, especially for plugin
developers.

Regards,
Lukáš

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Ivan Brusic ivan@brusic.com wrote:

Marvel doesn't different much from elasticsearch plugins in that the code
now runs in the same JVM instead of a separate process. The event data is
pushed rather than pulled. It is great not having to re-invent the wheel,
but having monitoring outside of elasticsearch is not an issue. Great
observation about the tribe node BTW.

Given that efficient JSON parsing libraries exist in most languages, I
rather go that route over the cat API. Time to re-visit monitoring.

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mark Walkom markw@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

Or perhaps something could come from the new cat API if they don't want
to go that route.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: markw@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 12:21, joergprante@gmail.com joergprante@gmail.comwrote:

Marvel comes with hidden Java plugin code for an event pusher. Node
events, route events, and shard events of ES can be indexed into ES. Very
useful for historic analysis and post mortem views.

It seems this was also a motivation for the tribe node mode: grow two
separate clusters, one for the data, another one for the metrics.

It would be nice if also the event pushing source code could be opened,
so other monitoring tools are able to build on this facility too. Or at
least documenting the event pushing API, for re-implementing it from
scratch.

Jörg

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(Roy Russo) #13

Although I agree with the code transparency in principle, it isn't a sound
business idea. Scaling an OSS company on support/services revenue alone is
very linear and that's not something investors want. You also risk becoming
a consulting company, rather than a software distributor.

In the end, all successful OSS companies have a commercial component. This
is ES's first stab at it and I think it's a good one.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:02:50 PM UTC-5, Lukáš Vlček wrote:

If my memory serves me well one of the issues with plugins is missing
classloading isolation. If you have two plugins installed on a single node
they can clash (we have been hit by this with our own plugins and it took
us some time to figure it out because the symptom was not deterministic).
If Marvel contains Java code that is installed as a plugin it would be imo
useful if the code were a bit more transparent, especially for plugin
developers.

Regards,
Lukáš

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Ivan Brusic <iv...@brusic.com<javascript:>

wrote:

Marvel doesn't different much from elasticsearch plugins in that the code
now runs in the same JVM instead of a separate process. The event data is
pushed rather than pulled. It is great not having to re-invent the wheel,
but having monitoring outside of elasticsearch is not an issue. Great
observation about the tribe node BTW.

Given that efficient JSON parsing libraries exist in most languages, I
rather go that route over the cat API. Time to re-visit monitoring.

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mark Walkom <ma...@campaignmonitor.com<javascript:>

wrote:

Or perhaps something could come from the new cat API if they don't want
to go that route.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com <javascript:>
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 12:21, joerg...@gmail.com <javascript:> <
joerg...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Marvel comes with hidden Java plugin code for an event pusher. Node
events, route events, and shard events of ES can be indexed into ES. Very
useful for historic analysis and post mortem views.

It seems this was also a motivation for the tribe node mode: grow two
separate clusters, one for the data, another one for the metrics.

It would be nice if also the event pushing source code could be opened,
so other monitoring tools are able to build on this facility too. Or at
least documenting the event pushing API, for re-implementing it from
scratch.

Jörg

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(Ivan Brusic) #14

I shouldn't comment about the viability of various revenue generating
opportunities since I have no experience in such matters. To me, Marvel
seems like a value-add for customers choosing the support subscription.
Here is an exclusive software package for signing up. I would be curious to
see if many sign up just for Marvel and not the whole kit and kaboodle.

As far as the code goes, it would be nice to see some of it opened up. The
publishing of event data should be pluggable for those that might want to
add a step before indexing into elasticsearch. Perhaps multiple clusters
can publish to redis/kafka which then is read by the actual Marvel cluster.
Is the value in the Java side code or the Kibana side? Many of us have
managed with compiling metrics in one way or another, but perhaps those
metrics are not display with a focus on elasticsearch (mine aren't).

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On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Roy Russo royrusso@gmail.com wrote:

Although I agree with the code transparency in principle, it isn't a sound
business idea. Scaling an OSS company on support/services revenue alone is
very linear and that's not something investors want. You also risk becoming
a consulting company, rather than a software distributor.

In the end, all successful OSS companies have a commercial component. This
is ES's first stab at it and I think it's a good one.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:02:50 PM UTC-5, Lukáš Vlček wrote:

If my memory serves me well one of the issues with plugins is missing
classloading isolation. If you have two plugins installed on a single node
they can clash (we have been hit by this with our own plugins and it took
us some time to figure it out because the symptom was not deterministic).
If Marvel contains Java code that is installed as a plugin it would be imo
useful if the code were a bit more transparent, especially for plugin
developers.

Regards,
Lukáš

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Ivan Brusic iv...@brusic.com wrote:

Marvel doesn't different much from elasticsearch plugins in that the
code now runs in the same JVM instead of a separate process. The event data
is pushed rather than pulled. It is great not having to re-invent the
wheel, but having monitoring outside of elasticsearch is not an issue.
Great observation about the tribe node BTW.

Given that efficient JSON parsing libraries exist in most languages, I
rather go that route over the cat API. Time to re-visit monitoring.

Ivan

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Mark Walkom ma...@campaignmonitor.comwrote:

Or perhaps something could come from the new cat API if they don't want
to go that route.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com

On 29 January 2014 12:21, joerg...@gmail.com joerg...@gmail.comwrote:

Marvel comes with hidden Java plugin code for an event pusher. Node
events, route events, and shard events of ES can be indexed into ES. Very
useful for historic analysis and post mortem views.

It seems this was also a motivation for the tribe node mode: grow two
separate clusters, one for the data, another one for the metrics.

It would be nice if also the event pushing source code could be
opened, so other monitoring tools are able to build on this facility too.
Or at least documenting the event pushing API, for re-implementing it from
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Jörg

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